
The Shovel Rule: Dig One Hole, Close More Deals
Stop Asking Questions Sideways: The Vertical Discovery Method That Builds Value on Every Sales Call
"What had you looking into this?"
"My mortgage."
"Okay, cool. And who are you looking to protect?"
Stop.
Right there — you just did the thing that costs agents more deals than any lead source ever has.
You asked a question, got an answer, and abandoned it.
Then you started a brand new hole.
Most agents ask questions horizontally. Every closer I know asks them vertically — same subject, stacked, one on top of the other, until there's something real to sell against.
I still dial leads. I still take sales calls, still deliver leads, still handle customer service a few times a week — because the basics are what keep you at the top of your game. And I was on a call training my own sales team on this exact thing the day before I decided it needed its own post.
This is for the agent who's buying leads, working them, and can't figure out why the pitch keeps falling flat. Over the past four years I've helped well over 700 agents issue-pay $40,000 per month, and this is one of the fundamentals underneath it.
Let's hop right into it.
Horizontal Questions Give You Check Marks. Vertical Questions Give You Ammunition.
Here's what horizontal looks like on a real call.
Question. Answer. New topic.
"Why are you looking at this?" … "Who's your beneficiary?" … "How long have you been looking into it?" … "If you pass, what does that look like for them?"
Four questions. Four different holes. Four inches deep.
Then you get to the pitch and you've got nothing to pitch ON.
So you present three prices and hope one sticks. That's not selling — that's reading a menu.
Think of it like a shovel: most agents start a hole, walk away, start another hole. Your job is to start ONE hole and keep digging.
Vertical sounds like this:
- "What had you looking into this — was it final expenses, or more the mortgage?" … "Final expenses."
- "Okay, perfect. Have you ever had any form of life insurance before?"
- "Sounds like the main reason is final expenses — were you looking at being buried or cremated?"
- "Why cremation over burial, if you don't mind me asking? Just so I get a good gauge."
- "Are you familiar with what cremation actually costs right now?"
Same column. Same subject. Every answer feeding the next question.
By question five, they've told themselves they need $5,000 to $8,000 in place. You didn't claim it. They arrived at it.
Why Vertical Questions Kill Objections Before They Show Up
Every answer they give you is ammunition. And ammunition is only useful if you go back and use it.
Objection comes at the end? You don't argue. You quote them.
"At the beginning you told me you want to be cremated, and that your family has this much to work with. Explain to me how that happens if we don't get something in place today."
Watch what happens. There's no counter-argument, because the argument is theirs.
Now run the same call with horizontal questions. You've got no quotes, no picture, no why. All you can say is "well, it's only $47 a month" — and now you're a price, not a professional.
You can't handle an objection with ammunition you never collected.
This is also what makes business STICKY. When the next agent calls three weeks later saying "I can get you buried for less," your client already has a full breakdown in their head of what it costs, how it works, and why they chose what they chose.
They don't switch. Because somebody actually explained it to them.
And no — "I'm just order taking" isn't an excuse. Yes, some of these calls are order taking. You can still paint the picture while you take the order.
The Intro That Earns You the Right to Dig
Digging only works if they're still on the phone.
People fill out these forms constantly — we run duplicate scans daily and see anywhere from 15 to 50 people per day filling out the form again. They're searching. They're getting called by everybody. They will hang up on you the second you start burning time on filler questions.
So confirm, credential, frame, and get moving:
- Confirm what they filled out. "John, looks like you were filling this out for the veteran life programs. You listed this and this — is that right?"
- Give your license number and make them write it down. "Before we get started — I'm legally required — grab a pen and paper. My license number is…" That single move flips the call. Now they're taking direction.
- Frame the call. "I'm going to ask you a few questions to get an understanding of where you're at, so I can point you in the right direction. Does that sound fair?"
- Get the yes. Then start digging.
Strong tonality doesn't mean loud. It means you mean what you say.
The Same Framework, Four Lead Types
The intro changes. The vertical digging never does.
Final expense: "What had you looking into this?" → buried or cremated → why → do you know what that costs today?
IUL: "Why the cash value specifically?" → "Are you familiar with how an IUL actually works?" → "Has anyone ever walked you through the tax-free retirement piece?"
Mortgage protection: "My job today is to make sure we protect your most important asset — your mortgage. We'd agree on that, correct?" Then: cover the full mortgage, cover a portion, or protect the equity. Dig into which one and why.
Veteran and trucker leads: same call, different opening line naming the program they filled out.
Even my own sales calls run it: what leads are you working, where are you at, what have you tried, what did it look like. Then I break down what's worked, what hasn't, and if it makes sense we move forward.
Sales is sales. Find the why, stack on the why, sell to the why.
The Trap: Digging Into People Who Were Never Going to Buy
Here's where this advice can hurt you.
Stacking questions is not the same as stacking time.
Don't spend 40 minutes going vertical with somebody who isn't qualified, can't afford it, or has no intent. Be okay walking away from the sale — that willingness is exactly what gives your questions their weight.
The dig is how you find out FAST whether there's anything down there. If there isn't, you thank them and you triple dial the next one.
The leads are infinite. Your hours aren't.
Some Hard Questions Worth Sitting With
Pull up your last recorded call.
How many of your questions built on the answer before them — and how many just started a new hole?
When they objected at the end, did you quote their own words back to them, or did you drop the price?
If a competing agent called your last client tomorrow with a cheaper number, would that client have any reason to stay?
And if nobody has ever trained you on how to actually build value… how much money has that cost you already this year?
Some hard questions worth sitting with.
FAQ: Building Value on Life Insurance Sales Calls
What does "building value" actually mean on a life insurance call?
It means using discovery questions to get the prospect to articulate their own why — what they're covering, why it matters, and what it costs if nothing's in place. Value is what THEY say, not what you claim.
How many questions should I ask before presenting options?
There's no magic number. Keep digging on the same subject until you have enough of their own words to attach to each option you present. If you can't attach anything to an option, you didn't dig deep enough.
Won't asking more questions make the call too long?
No — vertical questions replace filler questions, they don't add to them. Skip the small talk, confirm what they filled out, give your license number, and go straight into the why.
Does this work on aged leads too?
Yes. Aged leads at $2.50 to $5 are volume plays for disciplined dialers, and the intro just names the form they filled out months ago. The digging is identical.
My close rate is low. Is it the leads or my call?
Record five calls and count how many questions stacked versus how many started fresh. Most of the time the answer is sitting right there. It's never the leads. It's always you.
The Bottom Line
Surface-level questions get you check marks.
Stacked questions get you a picture — and a picture is the only thing you can sell against when the objection comes.
Start one hole. Keep digging. Use the ammunition.
But good calls need good leads, good follow-up, and good training behind them. If you're missing any of those, you're leaving money on the table every single day.
Want me to look at how you're working your leads and where your call is leaking deals? Book a strategy call at agentleadlab.com/schedule-a-call.
— Tre
